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Ask Pastor Jim These are ordered from oldest to newest e-mails sent to Pastor Jim Note: All E-Mails are 100% Authentic, so send one in and I will respond within a month or two! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What the hell is wrong with your
"ways". You are not christian by any sense of the word. I think
that you are just here for shock value and nothing more. Nothing
that is contained in your website has any relavance. You talk
about black people like trash. What about all the white child
molsesting priests out there. I am sure that it is not just
contained to cathlics. What about all the white trash out there.
I didnt see where you touched on any of that. And to talk about
people who cant spell is crappy on your part. Some people were
not afforded the luxury of a good education. I think you are a
peice of shit and for sure not a man of god. Burn in hell. Oh
and by the way I AM WHITE you dick.
You really told me. *Cries in the corner of the room* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Umm..okay. Well at first I was really pissed about the site, but my friend (who has already seen it) said it was a joke (which im sure it is) lol. Keep up the work!! I do rly like the site and the hate mail is funny!!! OMIGOD. If that one guy emails u again about becoming a werewolf I will die. i didnt know someone who is so intelligent could be so a dumb motherfucker. Anywho, THANKS!!! Dunno what you mean by on the second to last sentence, but thanks. ^,..^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Pastor Jim:
Your site is brilliant. The Kidz page, in particular, is inspired. It seems obscene now, but most of the stories referenced there were taught when I had the misfortune of being required to attend Sunday school. The crude graphics used to illustrate the Kidz section highlight that obscenity which, after all, resides in the text itself. It's certainly powerful. My guess is that the majority of those who most vehemently object to your site are precisely those who claim to take the Bible as the inerrant word of God. I also suspect that many others who object suffer from an irony deficiency. I admire your balls! All good things, Alex
You appear not to have received this when I first sent it, so I'm
sending it again.
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you would have to b the biggest toss
wank cock sucking cunt fucker i have ever met.do you realy think the
world is flat or that god is real cause hes not fuckhead,the more
atheists there are the better the world will b.fukn photoshop an
conspiracy theories.the only thing that mountainous pile of horse
shit known as the bible is good 4 is wiping your ass with you shit
dribbling fucktart
"you would have to b the biggest toss wank cock sucking cunt fucker i have ever met." When did we meet? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You are a hater wheither or not you wanna belive it or
not buddy.You are just as bad as Neo Nazis, if not worst.And everyone is
responsable for what they say.Thats why Its called responability.Your are
not a real Christian and most Christians I know would dismiss you as a
kook.And in case your wondering I am a furry, I am gay and yes I am also an
Atheist.I was a Christian for 14 years, but I woke up and realized its all
bullshit.Even if god existed(note the lower case g btw) he sure as hell
would fry your ass for what your preaching.I've
gotten a lot of hate mail from people lately, so I created a "False
'Christians'"Thats funny coming from a bigot.Satans not real and the
enemy is people like you who belive in mindless nonsense and spout
hatred.Why don't you do the worlfd a favor and kill yourself already.
Proof Atheists are Insanely Idiotic.Thats
the most idiotc comment I have ever heard in my entire life.Atheists have
proof that what they say exists.Its called science.If you ask a Christian
for prooff god exists, what do the tell you?Thats right.Read a book.Give me
a break.
Tim Slosky(Thats right ass face, I gave you my real name.I ain't afraid of you. You SRYSLY need to get laid......SRYSLY. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When you have time, I'd love it if you'd check out my site; I preach the
REAL Gospel too.
http://www.pierce-phillips.com As Paul put it, keep fighting the good fight of faith! Sincerely, Pierce Phillips Right. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
why are you fighting against other religions? and also you are fighting
literature, music, art and even food. please answer why.
Because God is always pissed off about something. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I CAN'T BELIVE U CALL URSELF A CHRSTIAN UR AN EVIL MEANIE WHO HATES GOD AND
JESUS
U SHOULD REPENT AND ASK GOD 4 FORGIVNESS OR U'LL GO TO HELL AND TAKE DOWN UR SITE I SWEAR BEFORE U MAKE JESUS ANGY 4 WHAT YOU'RE DOING JESUS LOVES YOU The ravings of a typical Christian. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i was reading your site and some comments you left people.
i am 15 bi sexual and i believe and god and i know that you can say what ever you want to people but really do you have to call people fags? That really dose offend people. Huh? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Pastor Jim, Your site is perhaps the best example of Poe's Law. http://rationalwiki.com/wiki P.Z. Myers (http://scienceblogs.com Best regards, yours in Christ, etc., Rob Something like that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I feel blessed that I have found your website. It has answered all the
questions I have had regarding the real truth and does a nice job of
reinforcing God's word. In the abyss of a world we live in today, it is
comforting to receive a glimpse of light amidst the darkness of evil. I
was beginning to feel as if I was alone in this evil world of hate, but
have found compassion through your website. You fulfill the vital role
of spreading truth among the atheist lies. May God bless you and Satan
fear you!
Amen! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm very shocked at this website! This is the weirdest
thing I have scene in a long time. Why are you telling people what to believe? And what is up with the burning witches for fuel crap? I find that to be very offensive. Why can't we all live in peace together? you really shouldn't have charts that have to do with burning obese Wiccans at the stake!!! And to have a picture on top of that is just outlandish. hold on a second here!!! Wiccans are idiots and worship Satan? Have you ever looked up what is Wicca on Google? maybe you should try it sometime and find out what the true Wiccans are about! We worship the God AND Goddess because we believe in equality for starters. Please tell me this is a joke website because I can't see how anyone would ever take this website seriously!!! You are not a true Christian if you believe all of this! I have been raised United Christian and turned to Wicca at an early age to answer questions that I couldn't find the answers to with Christianity, so before you start typing away there just remember I know both faiths really well and it seem you don't. Please take that page about burning fat witches off the web. Thank you! Phoenix BlackThorn "Why are you telling people what to believe?" Do you ask all your teachers that too? "We worship the God AND Goddess So do the TERRORISTS! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Pastor Jim,
I'm trying to figure out if you are serious with this website. Either you are a very misguided Christian or an Atheist with too much time and bitterness. Would you let me know which one you are. I am not attacking you, if you think I am I am not. I would just like to open a dialog with you to find out why you believe what you believe. Your response is eagerly awaited. Simon McMenamin I've spent around 10 hours in the past 2 years working on this website. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Very good point about sending the sinner to hell instead of the sin.
Can I use that?
Rickey Miller I don't care. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please have your site proofed for spelling and grammar
errors!!! The information here is interesting but if you want to be taken seriously you really need to have someone tidy it up a bit. You lose credibility by not communicating your ideas well. Need an example? Ok, I'm no English scholar but here's the first sentence in your introduction on the Jehovah's Witnesses page: "Lets start with the factor the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God first created Michael the Archangel, who through Michael made everything else like the universe, the Earth, life, Adam and Eve and so forth. This creative work didn't take the 6 days it takes in the Bible, but rather 42,000 years in total time." It should read something like this (my revisions in all caps): Lets start with the FACT THAT Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God first created Michael the Archangel AND through Michael, GOD made everything else, like the universe, the Earth, life, Adam and Eve and so FORTH. This creative work didn't take 6 days AS in the Bible, but rather 42,000 years. Here's another quote from a little further down the page: So right back when Adam and Eve sinned by eating the forbidden fruit the paradise the God created for them obviously had been ruined. My revision: THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BELIEVE THAT when Adam and Eve sinned by eating the forbidden fruit, the paradise God created for them had been ruined. or The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Adam and Eve ruined the paradise God made for them by eating the forbidden fruit. Just trying to help. Wish I could edit it for you but I don't have the time and I'm really not qualified. I just know enough to know it needs fixin'. :-) You need to get laid also. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I really like your site. It inspired me to buy my own
KJV bible. Armed with a highlighter and the Holy Bible, I will show the others the righteousness of the Christian Faith! Just reading through Genisus now. Didn't know God came up with the idea of circumcision! Yeah, it is so you have a smaller dick and don't want to have sex as much. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This website is a joke right? Or some kind of deliberate way to make fun
of Christians who take every word of the bible literally? Please get
back to me because my friends and I are having a disagreement about this
and they think that you fully believe everything that is written on this
site.
It's as real as God. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i dont go for nothing but i love to do search for imformention about
religions.....and i got only one question .....i hope you could come
with the answer....if u dare too........
why are the Jehovah's Witnesses so hated ? , if they
had cuz no or less harm to the world?
a little backup... i so the videos........ they were nothing comper to
the videos i have seen about other religion..... i read onething about
what u wrote real christians wont hurt or say something like"i will kill
you" but then why do the christians or catolics or anyother cain go to
war.... or the army.... however i heard that this religion dont go to
war.. might think mmm well they had done this to the girl on the
video.. well on my point of view ,,, no one is perfect and as u said you
have read the bible ..what happend with the sister of moisses... ????
you ay answer that....if u can............
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Please check out my website
http://groups.msn.com/biblemeat I am a christian and I want to share
with you, not compete with you.
The really radical thing is that there is sex in the bible that conventional christianity refuses to acknowledge. eg:Deuteronomy 24:5 -- few people consider that God gives these men a WHOLE YEAR to have nothing but sex with their wives. I know the devil makes us all believe sex is bestial and not of God, every raptist and pedophile is a preacher who preaches sex is dirty and uses violence in their acts to follow up the covert message with a covert threat -- as christians we ought to alert our minds to this strategy, it is the devil who is using these offenders to preach: the preaching on a psychic or spiritual plane and so hidden. I exhort you to consider the seven spirits of God in the site. With the truth we shall overcome. ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not sure, but I think this "Christian"
website is a joke of some kind. I think the author of this soapbox,
drunk induced, fire and brimstone sermon must be homosexual himself
attempting to parody the typical Christian hypocrisy that seems to
poison everything that was ever truly holy in an attempt to show
others just how asinine these religious zealot nut cases really are.
If that was your intention, I APPLAUDE YOU.
Thanks for the laugh.
However, If you are serious, I have just
three words for you: INCREASE YOUR MEDICATION. It's impossible for
anyone to take your hateful and self righteous manipulations of the
bible seriously. You aren't making any news, not getting any
attention, not making anyone angry (other than yourself); you're
just entertainment, but more like a court jester, not a professional
comedian. Getting angry at you and your church would be like
getting angry at my DOG for not being able to juggle.
Either case, thanks once again for the laugh
and for reminding me that the only TRUE terrorists in this country
are Christians; They've been using the bible as a weapon of mass
destruction for centuries.
Christians would be a lot more tolerable if
they would just act more like Christ!
I'm not fag. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm a bit confused about some of your thoughts.
For one. You said, "God hates it when men waste sperm, no matter what the reason." You should have said, "God hates it when men purposefully waste sperm." Why? Because you also said, "Christians have discovered that men produce sperm cells constantly. All that sperm has to go somewhere! If an unmarried man doesn't masturbate, all the sperm cells he produces end up in his urine." So, if you're married now, did you ever have to urinate before you got married? I'd say you have wasted some sperm in your life. You said, "God struck Onan dead!" Onan wasted sperm and so have you and I. According to you we should both be killed, right? You also said that a woman is a man's "property", and should be treated as such. Her only use is to please the man. And, of course, she is NOT at all equal to the man, right? That seems to disagree with a direct order from the Bible. At Ephesians 5:33 we are told, "...let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself..." Sounds like our wives are just as important as we are to God. Since, we are to love not use our wives, they should be more than property to us too. Perhaps you really believe this load of garbage that you preach with profanity and insults. Perhaps you really think that the King James version of the Bible is the best even though God's sacred name was removed so many times and things were added to prove false teachings like the trinity. Tools of Saten are allowed to exist to prove a point. The same point that has been proved so many times already. That God's true followers will not be misled by false teachings inspired of demons. You call yourself a Christian?(one who follows Christ) Please show me where Jesus ever called a woman a b**ch, or where God used the word p**sy in the Bible. It hurts me to see such misuse of the teachings of God. I can't imagine how he feels. We do not pee sperm. That's just silly like the round Earth conspiracy theory. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"He says that people like you give christians a bad name." YAY!!! ^,..^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is almost laughable.
It verges on ludicrious how you use claim that God being spelt with a capital letter is actually proof of existence. Couple this with your repeating of 'God is American', and all of your credibility is lost. Seriously, I would advise removing that page for your own sake... Oh, and 'Faith is ALWAYS superior and RIGHT over Science'. Haha dude, who do you think you're kidding? Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the supposed creator of human intelligence. From your beloved Atheist friend, Dr Morbid. Right. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I’m 17 years old and live in Sweden. I am doing a project about how religions can provoke individuals into committing murder for various reasons. You seam to be very passionate person. I haw read on this page and as far as im consernd, If you cant give me the answers Im looking for, no one can. I have a few questions if you don’t mind that would really help me one my project:
*You owlishly have greater knowledge of the bible then myself so, dose the bible ever justify murder? And against who and for what reasons?
*Do you and your followers interpret the Bible word by word? And if yes aren’t there some difficulties in that because some stories are supposedly contradictions against each other?
Thank you very much for your time.
Duedum Ihuvudet "You owlishly have greater knowledge of the bible then myself so, dose the bible ever justify murder? And against who and for what reasons?" No, but it does change the definition of murder. "Do you and your followers interpret the Bible word by word? And if yes aren’t there some difficulties in that because some stories are supposedly contradictions against each other?" There are no contradictions in the Bible. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi there,
I’m worried. Where is the end of the world?
Also I know a negro…should I stone him? No virus found in this outgoing message. Why would you stone perfectly good property? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I only got through to the section on atheists when I had to get to work. I have a few quick questions. I promise not to insult you as, like you said, you have the right to say whatever you want and shouldn't have to put up with crap from anyone who believes otherwise. I just wonder about some of the things you said... The first thing I noticed (as I'm sure was your intention) was the picture of the typical atheist. Isn't that just a little juvenile? I attended Christian schools for thirteen years. Wasn't there something that said "Love your enemies" and why doesn't that apply here? Lastly (for now, at least...I'd love to talk to you some more), how did you come to the beliefs that you share on your site? I read the Bible. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
just seeing if someone reads this and
that they believe what is on this site, I would love to talk
Okay. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I wake up and don't remember I run this website. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FUCK YOU!! As a 13-17 year old I hate
you cuz you are hateful! Didn't Jesus say something in da Bible
about something? I don't need to post da bbible verse cuz I dun read
da bible, it got to much words fer mes! FUCK YOU!! Let you who has
no sin cast the first stone. You sure were casting a lot of stones
there! I'm only 14 and I am so mad! FUCK YOU!! once and for all.
FUCK YOU!! Even I know your stupid and I hate you so much sicne you
say the racist word and you have penis on kiddie page. I'll pray for
you. I hope you die and go to Hell forever. I'll pray for you. I'm
not hateful. you are. I hate you.
GOOD DAY SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You should really update that generator.
I could use some more options.. There just isn't a lot to work with
anymore.
Maybe so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
you'r site is a dictative and you cant just put sience down. anyway if
there is a god after all the shit it as given me in life it can take its
hevan and its holy shite and fuck off i would rather slip into none
existence or even hell
Huh? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's so refreshing to see a christian
who is not afraid to display their true colors:
"Police in San Antonio and Austin have
aggressively enforced this law, even going as far as to torture
clerks that worked in stores that sold indecently-shaped soap and
candles, and there has been no public outcry."
Would jesus have supported torture?
"One of the main goals of Americans For
Purity is to not only repeal the laws against Clitoridectomy, but to
make it mandatory for female children (who will never miss the part
that is removed if it is done early enough)."
Would jesus have supported mutilation?
You will surely die in the hell of your
own making.
Hmm. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dr. Jim:
Sorry, but your claim that the laws of physics were somehow cheated when Goliath fell face forward when hit in the face with David’s stone wouldn’t stand up in a high school physics class, even in your native state of Arkansas. Check out the laws of Momentum and compare the momentum of Goliath’s body moving forward vs. the momentum of the stone that struck him, and you’d kinda guess that it’d have to be a mighty BIG stone to cause Goliath’s massive head to snap back, let alone his entire body to fall backwards. In your obsession to mock the Bible and its spiritual laws, you ought to at least get your natural laws correctJ Both David and Goliath then ran at another to fight. David put one of his stones in his sling and swung the stone at Goliath. The stone, guided by the Divine power of God shot into Goliath's forehead. The force of the stone cheated the laws of physics so much that when it hit Goliath's head, Goliath fell forward, dead! Wow! 1 Samuel 17:48-49
Best regards,
Chuck
Chuck Divine (949) 201-9495 Wha? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i do agree with everything but is that killing stuff joke or not?
because some pictures come off as ajoke im just wondering. God bless you :D -- WOW! Homepage (http://www.wowway.com) Maybe. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
hey man!
i am a fellow arkansan. and your site totally rocked my world. i
have decided to drop all logic and believe in this super cool fairy
tale. where do i sign up for my cloud apartment? seriously though, i
am studying alot of different religions right now and would love to
include your website in my thesis paper. if i could get a few direct
quotes from you as to why you created this site, i would dig it. hope
to hear from you soon. thanks!
Thanks! ^,..^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pastor Jim, YOU are an abomination, who doesn't deserve to live! How
dare you misinterpret the word of Christ like that!
I go to Church every week, and I am a good Christian, and I know that what you said isn't true! You can't just take the Bible to mean whatever you want - I know that I am right - I know God is on my side AND NOT YOURS! God loves everybody, even the 'niggers' and 'fags' you hate so much. God is a God of forgiveness, whatever you say about the Catholic Church changing the rules. Times change, and people have to change too. I eat shellfish too and it doesn't mean I am going to be stoned to death, that is what you condone, that is what you think God is all about! God is about love you fucking IDIOT! You think the world is getting worse because of liberals and gays and because we can't own slaves, but it is worse because of IDIOTS like you who can't see that the Bible is an allegory and not a literal word of God. Just because Jesus died on the cross for you doesn't mean that slavery should be tolerated in this world. I can't believe that you pick on these little kids who come on here trying to defend the TRUE Christian God to you with your foul mouth. Try picking on someone your own size! I am 37 and I have an IQ of 134, and if you don't believe me then look on my Bebo profile. Maybe i should get a bunch of my friends to bear witness to your Phoney Church and stone you to death for worshipping the Bible instead of God. How's that for idolatry? If I knew where you were then I would come and find you and then you would be in trouble. You will be judged in this world and not the next if I have anything to do with it. And keep up the good work man, your site is fucking awesome, hilarious and informative. Much love, and peace to you. "even the 'niggers' and 'fags'" Watch your language! "God is about love you fucking IDIOT" That's my word! =( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You are so sad. You're basically a second Westboro. I have kind-hearted
good friends who happen to be gay. They are about 10 times nicer than
homophobic assholes like you. And you expect to go to Heaven? You are
NOT a true Christian, sir. I believe in expressing opinions, but you're
expressing hate. You are scum of the Earth. How dare you say that every
other religion is going to hell. You are so ignorant. I'm agnostic, so
apparently I'm going to hell. I spit upon you.
Agnostics are all secret Christians. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello,
I'm Mackenzie, seventeen year old girl from Toronto, Canada. I have been checking out your website "True Christian". Because your opinions are so extreme, I can't tell if your site is a joke or real. Could you clear that up for me? Thank you
mackenzie
It's as real as God. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
your websites great you should have a tv show.
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