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Ask Pastor Jim
These are ordered from
oldest to newest e-mails sent to Pastor Jim
Note: All E-Mails are 100%
Authentic, so send one in and I will respond within a day or two!
Ask
Pastor Jim Nicholls Now!!
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| From: |
"Nicholle Haigler" <xxtenaciousdxxx@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 1, 2007
4:05 am |
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i dont know how much hate can come from one man. dosnt the bible say treat your
neighboor as you want to be treated? and whats with all the porn on the 'kidz
site'?!!? its disgusting! and masterbation is definately NOT linked with crime, i
masterbate all the time :) its fun, screw you ^_^
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Girls don't masturbate since it's
painful for them. That's why my wife always cries when we have sex.
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| Subject: |
damn you |
| From: |
"c b" <stanox2003@yahoo.de> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 1, 2007
8:15 pm |
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iam i glad i live in germany people like you have no chance here
gott sei dank
and i hope that god punishes you
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Eh?
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| From: |
"Kate Richings" <trashedvex@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 1, 2007
9:22 pm |
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id like to thank you for the humour of your site.
i like the term 'fag'
i call all my fellow gays a fag.
also, your artwork - just genius.
but i think you may need to do a bit of research.
we don't all have aids.
There is such thing as protection. and we do have brains to use them. male or female.
and also, I think eating faeces (which you spelt wrong as 'feces' on your site) is
something pretty much everyone frowns upon (except those with the odd fetish).
it's nice to see you're educating kids though, as the population of fags seem to be
rising more and more in this modern day. Which you probably need to get used to
really.
Also, maybe an investment in photoshop would be good.
But anyway, let me know if you get any updates. I do like a good laugh :)
See you in hell
and look forward to a response :)
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I'm actually a very good artist. My
artwork is my living.
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| Subject: |
Just a Remeinder |
| From: |
"Michael Franga" <mafranga@alltel.net> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 1, 2007
9:42 pm |
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You're a Idiot
Short Sweet To the point...
rednecks... Arkansas...
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Ever taste cyanide?
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| Subject: |
Hey |
| From: |
"kim mayers" <kim_mayers@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, February 2, 2007
1:18 am |
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Look there is no freakin god. There was no god when religions were bieng created. It
is a fragment of your imagination!
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Okay.
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| From: |
"Creed Hensley"
<mathfreak1406@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, February 2, 2007
6:20 pm |
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I jus wanted to let you know that I'm praying for you. I feel as though you may
have misinterpreted a few things, but I know that God will sort it out in the end.
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Hmmm?
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| Subject: |
Exodus 22:18 |
| From: |
"s i d d y p o o s ! !
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| Date: |
Fri, February 2, 2007
7:56 pm |
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Hi,
I was just wondering about your beleifs. Do you try to follow the original
teachings of Christ and the bible as much as possible?
Only, I thought that this:
Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
was King Richard 2nd translation. Was the original translation not "Thou
shalt not suffer a poisoner to live? I thought it was changed to his liking
diuring the burning times to encourage people to kill the Witches.
Just interested i nyour thoughts on this...
Sid
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That's just a liberal conspiracy like
the world being round.
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| Subject: |
Under God Controvery |
| From: |
"michael" <mafranga@alltel.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, February 3, 2007
12:45 am |
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In my opinion the "under god" controversy that you stated are completly wrong...
We have something called the Seperation of Chruch and State which phohibits church
related things in government. Our fore fathers did not put that in the Pledge of
Allegence, Dwight Eisenhower put that in the Plege in the 1950's. Learn your
history!
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The founders hated God. They hated God
so much that they wrote in the Constitution that America should never have an
army since if it did that army might evolve into a nation building force.
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| Subject: |
hey guys |
| From: |
"joe cumbo"
<jcss71783@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, February 3, 2007
3:31 am |
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im not sensoring you but YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES and you should b ashamed of
yourself and you have stained the christian religion with your bullshit you should
all slit your jugular veins open :) have a nice day faggots
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Jesus loves you too!
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| Subject: |
Hey, your website is
very interesting. |
| From: |
"Meredith Louise"
<xforeverxdyingx36@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, February 4, 2007
6:13 am |
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Okay so i have a lot of things to say since i hope to graduate highschool being a
science major. First of all, theres no real proof that the bible is even real. Im a
Roman Catholic and i do go to church (when my mom makes me). Ive tried to read the
bible once but i thought it was a load of crap and intensly boring. Im not sorry if
this offends you, because to be quite frank, i dont care. If it wasnt for science,
we woudnt have the brains and technology we have today. So instead of blaming
science for everything, why dont you blame your religion or the "precious' bible.
Without science, we wouldnt be finding the cure of cancer, we wouldnt have the
medicine and cures that we have. You could be dying, and because of science they
could treat you. So if your going to blame science for everything dont go to the
doctors, because then you would just make yourself look bad since you hate since so
much right? I think that you need to re-think your philosophy. Without science you
could have all of those diseases that they have in Africa, oh but you wouldnt be
treated because SCIENCE IS WRONG.
This is a different perspective on things. I have never read a bible, and I
don't plan to. I'm not religious and I've never been to church. I don't want
to. I'm not baptised and religion is a load of crap to me.
First of all, after dinosaurs stopped helping humans and started eating meat,
as you say it happened, why didn't they eat us all??? Why would dinosaurs
help humans? And no, sharp teeth are NOT for chewing veggies. Sharp teeth are
used to cut meat. M-E-A-T. Rounded teeth, as in molars that VEGETARIAN
animals have are used to eat veggies. If you don't believe me, try eating
food with only your front teeth. You can't do it efficiently.
If you believe that Earth is only 6 thousand years old, and that the bible
was there the whole time, then wouldn't Jesus have to be born before the
bible was written? The bible wasn't written until after Jesus died.
If the bible says that Adam and Eve came before everyone, then wouldn't there
be just them to populate the earth? That's incest.
Also, if you're going to believe the bible word for word, then think about
this. The bible was written after Jesus died, right? Adam and Eve were alive
BEFORE Jesus. So, how can that be true? It can't. Unless the people who wrote
the bible were lying. Jesus would have had to have been alive at the start of
the world in order for your beliefs to be true. There would have to be
dinosaurs around that time also. Adam and Eve would also have to be there at
the same exact time for everying the bible says to be right. So, Jesus, Adam
and Eve, and the dinosaurs were all around at the same time? No. Because then
that would make your argument false. Which it is.
I wasn't around when the world started. Nobody knows why we're here. People
evolved from one-celled organisms somehow. Natural selection took its course.
A meteorite hit the earth and wiped out all the dinosaurs. Mammals came to
inhanbit the world. Humans evolved because some of our ancestors ate meat and
then decided to hunt for themselves. Town and citied grew where people could
trade their goods. Kingdoms and dynasties and republics grew all around the
world. Jesus was alive during the time of the Romans most likely. I'm not
saying he wasn't alive, but he did say that he was just a man like anyone
else. The world cannot be only 6000 years old because too much has happened
for that to be true.
I don't believe that God went poof and people suddenly appeared.
I don't believe that humans co-existed with dinosaurs.
Oh yeah, if science is all wrong, then you should just go live naked outside in
the mud. Science has given you what you have now.
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Atheist.
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| Subject: |
mistake? |
| From: |
"Ziglvleit B.
Shtoonck" <ziglvleit@gmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, February 4, 2007
3:52 pm |
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Dear Pastor Jim,
Maybe you made a small mistake
Your email Jan part1 and Jan part 2 are both the same.
Alle the best!
Zigl
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I fixed it. Thank you.
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| From: |
"Chris foley"
<xchildofth3kornx@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, February 4, 2007
7:28 pm |
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you are the people who give christians a bad rap.... your going too hell
because you're a little cocksucker... so how bout you go and suck someones
dick or something rather the waste the planets air....
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Thank you Captain Morality.
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| Subject: |
Matthew 7:1 |
| From: |
"Karie Steele"
<karielynn_16@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, February 5, 2007
2:41 am |
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Since you are obviously big on the "freedom of speech," surely you wont object to my
saying a few words. Just to let you know, I'm not going to make any attempt
whatsoever to shut down your site. But I am going to say that there is a LOT that I
object to. I know, you will probably respond with something along the lines of "if
you didn't agree with it, then don't read it." I was simply trying to see what other
people thought was "true" and I found your site. I suggest that you take another
look at Matthew 7:1, and recheck your thinking. God, the one TRUE GOD said that you
should not judge, or you yourself will be judged. With your sites against Athiests,
mormans, "fake christians" you have no right to say that they will go to hell. It's
their decision, not yours. Flat out saying "YOU WILL GO TO HELL" without getting to
know them, is completely unreasonable. If you even thought of taking the time to get
to know the person, you might make them actually believe.
I know many people of all religions. Are you saying that I'm not a christian,
because I hang out with them?
Matthew 5:43 says to love your neighbor as yourself. Not just people of the same
religion. Just because someone believes a little differently than you do, doesn't
make them a bad person. I'm sorry, but it's not right to believe so.
Against your "Anyone who says God is love is a moran:" You should realize that God
is Love, just because he is a jealous God doesnt mean that he's not love. He is.
JOHN 3:16. FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD. He loved the world enough to send his son
to have people like you believe that you have the right to delare what is right or
wrong. Personally, I think you're an asshole, excuse me for saying so.
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"Flat out saying "YOU WILL GO TO HELL" without getting to know them, is completely unreasonable."
You are correct.
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| Subject: |
Your work. |
| From: |
"Don Staker" <dstaker@woh.rr.com> |
| Date: |
Tue, February 6, 2007
7:55 am |
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Before you discard this as more hate mail, read if you will.
A lot of the things that you have said are more opinion than fact. I consider
myself furry, but taking part in sexual intercourse with an animal is not something
that I would ever do. I am also a follower of the Christian faith. I go to Church,
read my Bible, and have discussions with God in prayer.
Did you pray before you posted your "Information"?
I am a writer, a novelist, and I pray to God before I start writing anything.
Perhaps, Herr Doctor, you should consider taking anti--Attention Deficit
Hyperactivity Disorder medication, hmm?
Danke!
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"A lot of the things that you have said are more opinion than fact."
We Christians make our facts based on
feelings.
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I am very impressed |
| From: |
"Chris Kocurek" <captnamazing@gmail.co*> |
| Date: |
Tue, February 6, 2007
9:30 am |
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I know that you are actually saying what the Bible says, but I am in awe by
your brilliance. You have so succinctly and successfully said what I have
been trying to explain to my "Christian" friends for so long. You see, I
used to live in Texas. In Texas, there are many hypocrites, heretics, etc.,
AKA Christians. They always pissed me off, never being able to see the flaws
of their arguments. I would really appreciate if you continue your genius
work, and would also love a response, knowing that you got this.
You have inspired me to uninspire Christians!
Thank you!
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You're very welcome. I'm one of few who
seriously understand how to make idiots see themselves as the idiots they really
are. A good way to help the message is to tell people not to go to this website
so their curiosity will make them come here.
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| Subject: |
"Fat Bitch" |
| From: |
"Rauridh Daunton" <romero_zombie@hotmail.co*> |
| Date: |
Tue, February 6, 2007
1:15 pm |
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Just though you would like to know that me and some friends made a pardoy
myspacer of the "fat bitch" in your hate mail section.
Link : http://www.myspace.com/thehugemac
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What about
www.myspace.com/hrw143 ?
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| Subject: |
Picnic |
| From: |
"john tracy"
<johnmtracy@yahoo.co*> |
| Date: |
Wed, February 7, 2007
5:52 pm |
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Hey Jim,
Remember when I told you that you were a couple of sandwiches short of
a picnic? Well, I think you found those two sandwiches and can now have
your picnic!
John
Hey, just joking dude, your website gives me my laugh of the day. Keep
up the good humor!
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I consider it dark humor, but thanks.
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| From: |
"Cameron Miksch" <cmiksch@collegiate-va.org> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 8, 2007
12:34 am |
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Please remove my previous email from your archives, i do no longer want it
to be publically displayed. It was sent from this email address in april
of 2006. Thanks.
-Cameron
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According to your previous e-mail:
"I feel you have no right to be on the internet"
Yeah you really thought you were clever
dishing out insults to me left and right. You want me to do you a favor?
No.
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| Subject: |
(no subject) |
| From: |
SimonsNala@aol.com |
| Date: |
Thu, February 8, 2007
3:34 am |
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K, so i just have a few things to say! First, who are you to choose what god
feels is right or wrong, remember "let he who not sin cast the first stone"
and sorry buddy, EVERYONE sins you are no different cause you are a pastor!
Second, homosexuals,abortionists, and everyone else you stomp into the ground,
I do not believe any of those things are right, but, think about it are you
god? Didn't think so, are we just supposed to believe you, or trust you know
what's right?! I bet now I don't believe in god ...right? Well, I do! I am a
devoted Christian that actually listens to what god says and doesn't assume
things due to personal beliefs!
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Quit using my oxygen please.
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| Subject: |
wow |
| From: |
"dale bolger" <luna.collective@verizon.ne*> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 8, 2007
6:47 am |
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This is the funniest site i have ever seen on the net, its even
better than the Church of Euthanasia site. Keep up the good work and
and thanx for the great furry smut best i"ve seen in a while. Thanx
again for the laughs. good luck keeping the site open
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"This is the funniest site i have ever seen on the
net"
Thank you!
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| Subject: |
WOW! |
| From: |
"peter block"
<pblock03@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 8, 2007
6:57 pm |
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wow, your site is ridiculous. For your information, atheists don't believe
in ANY higher power including Satan, thats what the A in atheist means.
ALso, 75% of people in our prisons are christians. And using a capitol G in
God doesn't prove he exists, it proves that it is a name. We use a capitol
S when we write Santa Clause don't we? Does that make him real? ALso your
myths about Atheists are untrue, if anyone, Religious people are the selfish
ones. Many, not all, only do good so they can get their reward an go to
heaven. They don't do good just because it is right. When an atheist does
good, he has no alterior motive. Also, if your site is a joke, you got me,
I bit really hard.
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Your lower lip is bleeding.
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| Subject: |
Reply |
| From: |
"emmet o'toole" <poop_chicken@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Thu, February 8, 2007
10:57 pm |
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"Go to bed."
It seems to me that you having no intelligent answer means that you cannot
defend yourself.
Emmet (again!)
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Yes I do.
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| From: |
"Wayne Philips" <wayne.philips@gmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, February 9, 2007
10:34 pm |
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you suck you retard! give up hose damn thoughts of you! you're doing the
same as you are saying they are doing to us! you say we have to believe you!
you say to believe a book! but have YOU written THAT book? NO! It's the same
as saying we didn't go to space! RETARD!
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Try cyanide.
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| Subject: |
Re: |
| From: |
"Wayne Philips" <wayne.philips@gmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, February 9, 2007
10:45 pm |
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And another thing, you say go kill yourself, try suicide and stuff... the
bible also says suicide is wrong, you should burn in hell yourself because
you put people up to it! RETARD! and by the way, you say uck and what the
fuck a lot of times yourself! go jerk of some more!
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I never tell people to commit suicide.
That's a Liberal Lie.
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| Subject: |
Re: |
| From: |
"Wayne Philips" <wayne.philips@gmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, February 9, 2007
10:53 pm |
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and the video's about the furrys are cool!=D thx for the coo video's!
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| Subject: |
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| From: |
"macgirl" <sugarhoneygirl@gmail.com> |
| Date: |
Fri, February 9, 2007
11:56 pm |
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Your pictures are done in paint, it doesn't seem as if you can write that
well... Its hard to tell if this site is satire or not.
If this is real, than you need a site redesign, grammar lessons, and less
"Rawr believ in god or die"
If this is Satire, this is quite a horrible joke.
Please respond soon, I'd like some answers.
Thanks.
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| Subject: |
Germ Theory |
| From: |
"John Hovious, MD"
<johnhovious@charter.net> |
| Date: |
Sat, February 10, 2007
8:24 pm |
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There is a glaring omission from your science page. I am talking about the
"Germ Theory". This theory originated in the 19th century at about the same
time as the theory of evolution. It started when Semmelweiss observed that
wiccans (a.k.a. midwives) washed their hands before delivering babies. The
male doctors at the same institution delivered babies without washing their
hands, after coming from the autopsy room. The wiccans had Satan protect
their patients from the fever and death that were predestined to accompany
childbirth. Semmelweiss tried to make the male doctors wash their hands
also, and they appropriately ran him out of town. However, this practice of
handwashing was eventually adopted by misinformed doctors, as they also
adopted the theory of evolution.
In Mark 7, Jesus clearly states that handwashing (and other forms of
cleanliness) are to be avoided, since they are just traditions of the Jews.
Surely, if germs really existed, Jesus would not have said this; being one
with the creator of all life, he would have known of their existence, and
that handwashing could control them. To accept the germ theory is to either
deny the divinity of Jesus, or to accuse him of deliberately causing his
followers to injure themselves.
True Christians need to demand that their doctors stop washing their hands
before examinations and surgeries. That way they will be able to meet Jesus
very soon.
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| Subject: |
take a letter off you
site |
| From: |
"jat mac" <killer_kentugan@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sat, February 10, 2007
9:46 pm |
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someone has posted a letter on your site with my
name.
jason macza
people are finding it on google and telling me it's freaking them out. So,
as much as a apricaiate the point that your site is making. I'm not sure if
i want my name and email address listed like that.
I've read Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins and feel that yes. there is a
probloem with faith in America
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So what do you want me to do?
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| Subject: |
your website |
| From: |
"P Wittenstein"
<pdoubleu11@gmail.com> |
| Date: |
Sun, February 11, 2007
12:48 am |
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I originally had written a whole letter to you, several paragraphs long. But
as I was writing it and browsing around your website, I realized that
nothing I could say would get through to you, I'm sure. I'm sorry you are
the way you are.
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Who are you sorry to? I'm one of very
few voices who actually exposes the truth behind Christianity.
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| Subject: |
Seriously... |
| From: |
"Mike Carter"
<shinoda2005@hotmail.com> |
| Date: |
Mon, February 12, 2007
1:34 am |
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Wow, I can see why you don't believe in evolution because you don't want to admit
that you haven't evolved. You say how all the atheists are stupid by using immature
cartoons that any 5 year old could make. Intelligence isn't determined by what
religion you worship or lack there of. The earth isn't flat which can be proven by
and eclipse, which can't be edited in photoshop. Stars differ in size... much like
brains. If this dragon is up in space, that would make it an alien, are you trying
to say that christian believe in aliens? Humans originated from dirt eh? Seems like
some still are dirt. You say bread is evil because of the yeast, then why did Jesus
turn stones into bread, and why do christian have the body of christ which is bread?
Ah yes killing people... well it's nice to see Jesus' message of peace and love
being taken to heart.
You children's page is interesting in that children can't actually enter it while
being honest which is what you're "preaching." I thought there was trash on MTV and
Fox but your video section actually made me appreciate their shows. The whole Pi
equals three is flawed in that a cubit is the length of the arm from the elbow to
the end of the hand. That length differs from person to person. Atheists don't try
to convert people, not all of them anyway. By accusing them of doing that you're
accusing them of something that you're blatantly doing. I've sat down with the local
christian minister and had a talk to him. I wont bore you with the detail because I
know your response will be along the lines of "he's not a real Christian," well he
is and you're not so save your breath. You said you got your Ph. D. recently, well
why don't you go and put it back in the cereal box that you got it from and get a
real one so that you can actually use your brain or what's left of it.
Mike Carter
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"You children's page is interesting
in that children can't actually enter it while
being honest which is what you're "preaching.""
The Bible isn't for children either.
Sex, violence, rape, incest, murder, bigotry, racism, genocide, anarchism, and
so forth are all present themes in the Bible. It's not banned though since
typical Christians haven't even read the Bible. If they did they probably
wouldn't be Christian or become just like me or Pastor Fred Phelps.
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| Subject: |
Oh man that was great |
| From: |
"James Michael Boyer
II" <jamesmboyerii@gmail.co*> |
| Date: |
Mon, February 12, 2007
1:11 pm |
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I just read your page on divorce - dude that was hillarious. I fell out
of chair. "*If a woman is raped she must marry the rapist or go to Hell if
she chooses not to."*
Classic!!! Thank you for a great website. I need the humor today.
--
Thank you,
James
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The Bible is worse.
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| Subject: |
Thank You!!! |
| From: |
"Stewart Byfield" <thirteenphobic@hotmail.co*> |
| Date: |
Mon, February 12, 2007
9:55 pm |
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Quality website!
Keep up the good work!
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Thank you.
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| Subject: |
internet website
suggestions |
| From: |
"Michaela Conrad"
<mccvolleyball06@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, February 14, 2007
3:47 pm |
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So I was browsing through some sites on the internet and happened to stumble across
yours. There are just a few things I'd like to bring to your attention, one of them
being the false information on your site, among other grievances.
Your site strikes me as being ignorant and rather rash. Instead of ignoring the
opposition and utilizing words such as "stupid" with an arrogant attitude, it would
probably be beneficial to at least acknowledge the other side.
Your smart-ass attitude often times turns your readers off, unless they are as
ignorant and prideful as you seemingly are. Perhaps some supposed beliefs that you
misconstrue to support your own ideas seem outlandish; actually, the way you stream
this information makes it undoubtedly sound ridiculous. It's almost amusing to read
your supposed knowledge on the subject.
You'd be considered ridiculously more credible if you perhaps were an expert on the
subject, rather than making irrational decisions and opinions based on superficial
knowledge that you are obviously smart enough to make.
First of all, the Watchtower is not the "church." The Watchtower is merely a
publication helping the witnesses and those to who they preach to understand more
fully and thoroughly current issues and the stance that witnesses take on them.
Second of all, yes, Witnesses do believe that only an anointed 144,000 will enter
into heaven. Here is where your information necessarily must be checked if you seek
validity. The 144,000 individuals already know who they are. The rest of the
Witnesses do not seek ways to enter into heaven. They accept their earthly
existence. In no way does the Watchtower deem who is "worthy enough" to enter into
heaven.
Furthermore, Witnesses are not discouraged to read the Bible. On the contrary, they
follow a suggested schedule of reading of the Bible that spans an entire year .
Logically, that means that a Witnesses who follows this schedule read the Bible a
least 60 times, if that individual lived for 60 years as a Witness their entire
life. It is impossible to argue that Witnesses are discouraged to read the Bible.
In fact, Witnesses conduct Bible Studies with themselves and those who are
interested. Not only do they study the Bible on a regular basis, but other
publications delve into specific topics found in the holy writings.
As for the supposed wealth of the elders, that is another mistake in your scholarly
knowledge. Unlike other Christian churches, it is not mandatory to pay the
organization. Those who chose to do so are secure in their knowledge that their
donations go to beneficial projects that benefit the society worldwide. Most of the
money goes to the building and renovations of Kingdom Halls globally, as well as to
the publications that every person, whether a Witness or not, has the opportunity to
enjoy. Apparently, you have yet to visit these Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls and
other Witness establishments.
Perhaps it was not the lack of factual information that irritated me the most. It
was most likely the attitude of superiority that you express throughout your entire
site, as if your opinion holds more importance than any other person's. It clearly
expresses your undeserved confidence and arrogance. Before you offer up your
outlandishly superior knowledge on the subject, make sure you do your research. It
could be slight possible that other people may believe you if you concede to the
opposition, then refute with what knowledge you believe to be true.
As your website stands currently, you are painfully in error.
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"Your smart-ass attitude often times
turns your readers off"
It turns so many readers off that it's
made this website world famous with random idiots like you writing in.
"As your website stands currently,
you are painfully in error."
I'm not in pain though.
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internet website
suggestions |
| From: |
"Michaela Conrad"
<mccvolleyball06@yahoo.com> |
| Date: |
Wed, February 14, 2007
3:49 pm |
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So I was browsing through some sites on the internet and happened to stumble across
yours. There are just a few things I'd like to bring to your attention, one of them
being the false information on your site, among other grievances.
Your site strikes me as being ignorant and rather rash. Instead of ignoring the
opposition and utilizing words such as "stupid" with an arrogant attitude, it would
probably be beneficial to at least acknowledge the other side.
Your smart-ass attitude often times turns your readers off, unless they are as
ignorant and prideful as you seemingly are. Perhaps some supposed beliefs that you
misconstrue to support your own ideas seem outlandish; actually, the way you stream
this information makes it undoubtedly sound ridiculous. It's almost amusing to read
your supposed knowledge on the subject.
You'd be considered ridiculously more credible if you perhaps were an expert on the
subject, rather than making irrational decisions and opinions based on superficial
knowledge that you are obviously smart enough to make.
First of all, the Watchtower is not the "church." The Watchtower is merely a
publication helping the witnesses and those to who they preach to understand more
fully and thoroughly current issues and the stance that witnesses take on them.
Second of all, yes, Witnesses do believe that only an anointed 144,000 will enter
into heaven. Here is where your information necessarily must be checked if you seek
validity. The 144,000 individuals already know who they are. The rest of the
Witnesses do not seek ways to enter into heaven. They accept their earthly
existence. In no way does the Watchtower deem who is "worthy enough" to enter into
heaven.
Furthermore, Witnesses are not discouraged to read the Bible. On the contrary, they
follow a suggested schedule of reading of the Bible that spans an entire year .
Logically, that means that a Witnesses who follows this schedule read the Bible a
least 60 times, if that individual lived for 60 years as a Witness their entire
life. It is impossible to argue that Witnesses are discouraged to read the Bible.
In fact, Witnesses conduct Bible Studies with themselves and those who are
interested. Not only do they study the Bible on a regular basis, but other
publications delve into specific topics found in the holy writings.
As for the supposed wealth of the elders, that is another mistake in your scholarly
knowledge. Unlike other Christian churches, it is not mandatory to pay the
organization. Those who chose to do so are secure in their knowledge that their
donations go to beneficial projects that benefit the society worldwide. Most of the
money goes to the building and renovations of Kingdom Halls globally, as well as to
the publications that every person, whether a Witness or not, has the opportunity to
enjoy. Apparently, you have yet to visit these Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls and
other Witness establishments.
Perhaps it was not the lack of factual information that irritated me the most. It
was most likely the attitude of superiority that you express throughout your entire
site, as if your opinion holds more importance than any other person's. It clearly
expresses your undeserved confidence and arrogance. Before you offer up your
outlandishly superior knowledge on the subject, make sure you do your research. It
could be slight possible that other people may believe you if you concede to the
opposition, then refute with what knowledge you believe to be true.
As your website stands currently, you are painfully in error.
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You already sent that.
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Hello dear |
| From: |
"kristin ritchie" <kristin_ritchie@yahoo.con> |
| Date: |
Wed, February 14, 2007
4:34 pm |
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GRRRR! Your not a Chritstian! No yura STOOPID idiot! As a pagan I hate you cuz you
are hateful! Didn't Jesus say something in da Bible about something? I don't need to
post da bbible verse cuz I dun read da bible, it got to much words fer mes! GRRRR!
Your not a Chritstian! No yura STOOPID idiot! I feel sorry for your wife an kids. I
hope you die thogh or somethin. As a pagan I am so mad! GRRRR! Your not a
Chritstian! No yura STOOPID idiot! once and for all. GRRRR! Your not a Chritstian!
No yura STOOPID idiot! Even I know your stupid and I hate you so much sicne you say
the racist word and you have penis on kiddie page. I'll pray for you. I hope you die
and go to Hell forever. I'll pray for you. I'm not hateful. you are. I hate you.
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Origins of Christ
I do think if you were intelligent you would notice this. Scroll Down
David Pratt Guest Writers
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The Origins of Christianity by David Pratt
(September 2001)
Divine confusion Most Christians today believe
that the gospels of the New Testament present an
essentially accurate account of the life of Jesus
Christ, the 'only-begotten Son of God', who was
born of a virgin, wandered Galilee as a preacher
and miracle-worker at the start of the 1st century,
died on a cross to redeem the sins of mankind,
and then rose from the dead three days later and
ascended into heaven. However, the four gospels contain
such glaring inconsistencies and contradictions
that they are clearly not reliable historical
reports. So if they are the 'word of God', then God
must be terribly confused!
The Gospels of Matthew and Luke go to great lengths to show that Jesus is
descended from the line of David, as the promised messiah must be
according to Jewish beliefs. But apart from agreeing that Jesus was
fathered by Joseph, the two genealogies bear no resemblance to each other
at all; Matthew lists 28 generations and Luke 43. Furthermore, their
relevance is unclear since the authors of the two gospels also say that
Jesus was born of a virgin who was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.* The
Gospels of Mark and John, by contrast, make no mention of Jesus' family
descent or the virgin birth.
*The Holy Spirit was traditionally regarded as feminine. Hence the wry
comment made in the apocryphal Gospel of Philip (25): 'Some said "Mary
conceived by the holy spirit." They are in error. . . . When did a woman
ever conceive by a woman?'
Matthew tells us that Jesus was born during the reign of
King Herod, who died in 4 BCE (before common era). But Luke
states that Jesus was about 30 in the 15th year of Tiberius'
reign, implying that he was born in 2 BCE, i.e. after
Herod's death. He then contradicts himself by stating that
John the Baptist and Jesus were miraculously conceived six
months apart in the reign of Herod, but that Jesus was born
at the time of the census of Quirinius, which took place in
6 CE (common era), thereby creating the miracle of a ten-year
pregnancy!
The Gospels of Mark and John do not contain any nativity story, while the
nativity stories given by Matthew and Luke have nothing in common except
the names of Jesus' parents and the location of his birth in Bethlehem.
John however says that Jesus is from Galilee and that the Jews rejected
him because he was not from Bethlehem. Only Matthew mentions the guiding
star, the three wise men and Herod's murder of all the infant boys in
Bethlehem, while only Luke mentions the Roman census, the appearance of
angels to the shepherds tending their flocks (in the winter?!) and the
shepherds' visit to Jesus.
Matthew says that Joseph and Mary lived in Bethlehem, while Luke says that
they lived in Nazareth. Matthew says that they fled to Egypt immediately
after Jesus' birth and then went to Nazareth when Herod died, while Luke
says they remained in Bethlehem following Jesus' birth so that he could be
presented in the temple of Jerusalem eight days later. Only Luke mentions
Jesus' amazing exhibition of learning in the temple at the age of 12.
The scene where Jesus drives the traders and moneychangers out of the
temple is placed at the beginning of John's narrative but at the end of
Matthew's. Mark has Jesus teaching only in the area of Galilee and not in
Judea, and only travelling the 70 miles to Jerusalem once, at the end of
his life. Luke, however, portrays Jesus as teaching equally in Galilee and
Judea, while John's Jesus preaches mainly in Jerusalem and makes only
occasional visits to Galilee. There are major discrepancies regarding the
names of the disciples. According to Mark, Matthew and Luke (the synoptic
gospels), Peter, James and John are Jesus' closest followers. In John's
gospel, however, Peter plays only a minor role and James and John are not
even mentioned, but there is mention of Nathenael and Nicodemus, who make
no appearance in the other three gospels.
Even the events surrounding the all-important crucifixion are not
uniformly recorded by the gospels. Matthew and Mark say that Jesus was
both tried and sentenced by the Jewish priests of the Sanhedrin, Luke says
that Jesus was tried by the Sanhedrin but not sentenced by them, while
according to John, Jesus did not appear before the Sanhedrin at all. Jesus
then goes to his death by crucifixion -- yet Paul and Peter say he was
'hanged on a tree' (Galatians 3:13, Acts 5:30, 10:39). John places Jesus'
death on the eve of the Passover, whereas the other gospels place it on
the following day. The story of a centurion piercing Jesus' side with a
spear is found only in John's Gospel. The gospels give three versions of
Jesus' last words: 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'* (Matthew
and Mark); 'Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!' (Luke); and 'I
thirst. . . . It is finished' (John).
*This is a mistranslation of the Hebrew. It should read: 'My God, my God,
how thou dost glorify me!' [1]
In John's Gospel there is only one woman visitor to Jesus'
tomb, in Matthew there are two, and in Mark three, while
Luke writes of numerous women had who had followed Jesus from
Galilee. According to Mark, when the three women disciples
found the empty tomb they saw a young man in a white robe
inside, while Luke relates that 'two men in dazzling
apparel' suddenly appeared. Matthew, however, paints a far
more dramatic picture:
And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord
descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone, and sat upon
it. His appearance was like lightning, his raiment white as snow. (28:2)
In Matthew the resurrected Jesus appears to his
disciples in Galilee, where they have been sent by divine decree.
According to Luke and the Acts of the Apostles, on the other hand, the
risen Jesus appeared in and around Jerusalem, and according to Acts the
disciples were expressly forbidden to leave Jerusalem. The earliest
versions of Mark's Gospel end with the fear of the women at their
discovery of the empty tomb (16:8). The 'long ending' in which the risen
Jesus appears to his disciples, was added later but is now included in
nearly all editions of the New Testament. The last chapter of John's
Gospel, containing Jesus' post-resurrection appearances, is also a later
addition. Luke's Gospel is the only one to include an appearance in
Jerusalem in which Jesus convinces his disciples that he is not a mere
phantom by inviting them to handle his flesh and bones and by eating a piece
of broiled fish!
Matthew and John ignore the ascension of Jesus. Luke mentions it only in
one brief verse, a sort of postscript not found in some manuscripts, and
it receives an equally cursory mention in the verses later added to Mark's
Gospel. Luke places the ascension on the day of the resurrection, and Acts
40 days after (1:3). During his ministry, Jesus repeatedly predicts that
the apocalyptic Last Judgement will occur within the lifetime of some of
his contemporaries, but nearly 2000 years later the Second Coming has
still not occurred, though some fundamentalists continue to proclaim --
rather optimistically -- that 'the end is nigh'!
Reinventing the pagan godman Although the unreliability of the gospels and
other early Christian documents as historical sources is recognized by many
theologians, most of them still maintain that an historical Jesus did live in
the early 1st century, though opinions differ as to his alleged divine status.
However, several recent scholarly books have concluded that the Jesus depicted
in the gospels never existed at all and that, far from being a completely new
and unique revelation, Christianity originated as a Jewish adaptation of
the ancient pagan mystery religion that had held sway for thousands of years
[1].
The pagan mysteries were practised in different forms by nearly every
culture in the Mediterranean and inspired the greatest minds of antiquity.
Their primary aim was to promote moral regeneration and spiritual
progress. At the heart of the mysteries was the myth of a dying and
resurrecting godman, who was known by different names in different
cultures: in Egypt he was Osiris, in Greece Dionysus, in Asia Minor Attis,
in Syria Adonis, in Italy Bacchus, in Persia Mithras. The name
'Osiris-Dionysus' was sometimes used to denote his universal and composite
nature.
All the following features of the story of Jesus can be found in earlier
stories about pagan godmen [2]: he is the saviour of mankind, the son of
God, born of a virgin; he is born in a cave or cowshed on 25 December or 6
January;* his birth is prophesied by a star and witnessed by three
shepherds; he is wrapped in swaddling clothes and placed in a manger; he
is tempted by the devil; he is baptized; he heals the sick, exorcises
demons and turns water into wine; he preaches the gospel of love, charity
and forgiveness; he is surrounded by 12 disciples; he rides triumphantly
into town on a donkey while crowds wave branches; his disciples
symbolically eat bread and drink wine to commune with him; he dies at
Eastertime as a sacrifice for the sins of the world by being hanged on a
tree or crucified; his corpse is wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrh;
his empty tomb is visited by three women followers;
after his death he descends to hell, then on the third day he rises from
the dead and ascends to heaven in glory; his followers await his return as
the judge during the Last Days; through sharing in his passion, Jesus
offers his disciples the chance to be born again.
*There was a dispute in early Christianity as to when Jesus was born. It is
interesting to note that Horus, Mithras and Adonis/Tammuz were said to be
born on 25 December, while Osiris-Aion was born of the virgin Isis (also
known as Mata-Meri or Mother Mary) on 6 January. Adonis/Tammuz was born of
the virgin Myrrha in the very cave in Bethlehem now considered the
birthplace of Jesus.
The passion of Baal or Bel of Phoenicia/Babylon, as revealed
on a 4000-year-old tablet now in the British Museum, shows
many points of resemblance with the later story of Jesus:
Baal is taken prisoner and tried in a hall of justice; he is
tormented and mocked by a rabble; he is led away to the mount; he
is taken with two other prisoners, one of whom is released;
after he has been sacrificed on the mount, the rabble goes
on a rampage; his clothes are taken; he disappears into a
tomb; he is sought after by weeping women; he is
resurrected, appearing to his followers after the stone is rolled
away from the tomb [3].
The story of Jesus clearly shows a startling lack of originality. Some
early Christians tried to explain this by claiming that the pagan
mysteries were mythical precursors of the 'real thing' -- the historical
coming of Jesus. Several church fathers, such as Justin Martyr, Tertullian
and Irenaeus, even resorted to the desperate claim that the pre-Christian
pagans had been inspired by the devil! A more rational conclusion is that
the story of Jesus is simply a reworking of the far older myth of
Osiris-Dionysus. No one believes the stories about pagan godmen are
literally true, and relating the same events in a Jewish setting hardly
turns them into historical facts.
Figure. This 3rd-century amulet shows a crucified figure whom most
people would immediately recognize as Jesus. Yet the Greek words
name the figure 'Orpheus Bacchus' -- one of the pseudonyms of
Osiris-Dionysus. The earliest known representations of the crucified
Jesus date from the 5th century. [4]
The pagan mysteries comprised outer mysteries, which were open to
all, and secret inner mysteries known only to those who had
undergone initiation [5]. The inner mysteries revealed that the story
of Osiris-Dionysus was not historical fact but an allegory encoding
spiritual teachings. Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy explain:
Osiris-Dionysus had such universal appeal because he was seen as an
'Everyman' figure who symbolically represented each initiate. Through
understanding the allegorical myth of the Mystery godman, initiates
could become aware that, like Osiris-Dionysus, they were also 'God made
flesh'. They too were immortal Spirit trapped within a physical body.
Through sharing in the death of Osiris-Dionysus initiates
symbolically 'died' to their lower earthly nature. Through sharing
in his resurrection they were spiritually reborn and experienced
their eternal and divine essence. This was the profound mystical
teaching that the myth of Osiris-Dionysus encoded for those
initiated into the Inner Mysteries, the truth of which initiates
directly experienced for themselves. [6] Far from
being a Christian heresy, the broad philosophical tradition known as
Gnosticism was the
original Christianity which developed from the pagan mysteries. The gnostics
did not necessarily deny the historicity of the gospel story of Jesus' life
as it was an essential part of the outer mysteries of Christianity, which
were designed to attract new would-be initiates. But any literal
interpretation of the Jesus story was only the first step presented to
spiritual beginners, while the inner mysteries revealed that it was not a
factual account of God's one and only visit to earth, but a mystical story
designed to help each of us become a christ by achieving union with our
higher, spiritual self.
However, a rival literalist school of Christians developed, which regarded
the Jesus myth as historical fact and dismissed the idea of it having a
deeper meaning. The gnostic Christians viewed such literalism as
superficial and simple-minded. Pagan writers, too, launched scathing
attacks on the irrational beliefs of literalist Christians, and denounced
Christianity as an inferior imitation of the perennial philosophy of the
mysteries. The philosopher Celsus, for example, dismissed the notion that
God could literally father a child on a mortal woman as plainly absurd,
and described the doctrine of everlasting punishment or reward as
'absolutely offensive'. In the late 3rd century the pagan philosopher
Porphyry stated that promising any criminal that he would be absolved of
his sins and enter paradise as long as he was baptized before he died
undermined the very foundations of a society of
decent human beings. The gnostics regarded a literal belief in the
resurrection as the 'faith of fools'. Even the 3rd-century Christian
philosopher Origen dismissed literalist Christianity as a 'popular,
irrational faith', and stated bluntly: 'Christ crucified is teaching for
babes' [7].
Regarding the Roman Church's doctrine that at the last judgement there
would be an apocalypse of fire in which all non-Christians would be
consumed and the faithful physically resurrected, Celsus commented: 'The
very fact that some Jews and even some Christians reject this teaching
about rising corpses shows just how repulsive it is; it is nothing less
than nauseating and impossible. I mean, what sort of body is it that could
return to its original nature or become the same as it was before it
rotted away?' [8]. Writing at the end of the 2nd century, the church
father Tertullian admitted that the claim that a human could physically
return from the grave was too incredible to be believed, but the best
'argument' he could come up with was: 'It is true because it is absurd, I
believe it because it is impossible' [9]. And this from a man routinely
claimed to be a great Christian theologian! Celsus
described Christians as irrational, because they 'do not want to give or
receive a reason for what they believe' but rather win converts by telling
them 'not to ask questions but to have faith' [10]. Gregory Nazianzen, a
Christian saint, put it very bluntly: 'Nothing can impose better on a people
than verbiage; the less they understand the more they admire' [11].
The promise of Christ and the vital force of Christianity require a
literal belief not only in the crucifixion and resurrection but also in
the irrational doctrine of original sin [12]. We are expected to believe
that a supposedly omnipotent, omniscient and loving God knowingly created
Adam and Eve so flawed that they succumbed to temptation by the Devil
(another of God's wondrous creations?!), and then took revenge by cursing
not only them but all succeeding generations as well. Having created the
world badly in the first place, he was only able to fix it by sacrificing
his own son, i.e. part of himself, to an agonizing death. And thanks to
this act of blood atonement everyone can now be saved and enjoy eternal
bliss simply by believing in Jesus, while unbelievers, regardless of how
noble their lives may have been, will suffer eternal torture in hell! Why
the shedding of Jesus' blood would
enable or persuade God to confer forgiveness of sin and eternal salvation is
never explained. Blood sacrifices (of humans or animals) are generally
regarded with aversion in modern society, yet this primitive concept still
lies at the heart of the orthodox Christian faith [13].
Historically unknown Few Christians are aware that there is not a single piece
of legitimate historical evidence that the gospel Jesus ever existed. The
birth, life, miracles, teachings and death of Jesus are not referred to by any
historians of the time, despite the fact that the centuries surrounding
the beginning of the Christian era were some of the best documented in
history. Apart from Luke's Gospel, no historical sources mention the Roman
census that supposedly required Mary and Joseph to travel to Bethlehem. In
fact, a Roman census could not have been carried out in Palestine in the time
of King Herod, for his territory was not part of the empire. Nor are there any
independent historical accounts of the guiding star (which, very unstarlike,
wandered through the sky and came to rest over the building where Jesus was
born!), Herod's slaughter of the innocents, or the dramatic events that
allegedly accompanied the crucifixion -- i.e. three hours of global darkness,
an earthquake and the rending of the veil of the temple of Jerusalem,
followed, according to Matthew, by corpses emerging from their graves,
including the resurrection of the saints and their subsequent appearance to
many in Jerusalem!
The only Roman writers to mention anything of relevance to the historical
reality of Jesus are Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius, but they were all
writing at the beginning of the 2nd century and none of them mention Jesus
by name [1]. Pliny simply says that some Christians had cursed 'Christ' to
avoid being punished. Tacitus mentions that Christ was executed by Pontius
Pilate, but it is clear that he is merely quoting hearsay information from
his own day. Suetonius states that Jews were expelled from Rome around 49
CE because a man called Chrestus instigated disturbances among them. But
Chrestus was a popular name, and even if Suetonius really meant
'Christus', Jesus was never said to have been at Rome, and certainly not
nearly 20 years after his supposed crucifixion. Moreover, the authenticity
of all these passages has been questioned.
Turning to Jewish historians: Philo was an eminent Jewish author who lived
at the same time that Jesus is supposed to have lived and wrote around 50
works that still survive. They tell us much about Pontius Pilate, yet make
no mention of Jesus. Philo's contemporary, Justus of Tiberias, wrote a
history that began with Moses and extended to his own times, but again
made no mention of Jesus [2].
Josephus, on the other hand, a younger contemporary of the apostle Paul,
wrote two famous history books, one of which (Antiquities of the Jews)
contains two passages which do refer to Jesus: one of them speaks of him
as the messiah, who was crucified under Pilate and appeared to his
disciples three days later. For hundreds of years these passages were
seized on by Christians as conclusive proof that the gospel Jesus was an
historical figure. But more careful scrutiny has shown them to be later
forgeries. Since Josephus was an orthodox Jew, he would hardly have called
Jesus the messiah if the Jews had really put him to death for blasphemy.
Origen explicitly stated in the 3rd century that Josephus did not believe
that Jesus was the messiah. It was not until the beginning of the 4th
century that Bishop Eusebius, the Roman Church's notorious propagandist
and falsifier, suddenly produced a version
of Josephus which contained these passages. Nevertheless, given the lack of
any other serious, nonbiblical evidence for an historical Jesus, some
Christian apologists still go to desperate lengths to claim that the passages
in Josephus are at least partially authentic [3].
The Jewish Talmud comprises an older stratum called the Mishna and
additional matter known as the Gemara or 'completion'. The Mishna was
founded in 40 BCE and was edited and amplified till about the beginning of
the 3rd century CE. It contains an unbroken record of all the rebels
against the authority of the Jewish Sanhedrin from 40 BCE to about 237 CE,
and provides a history of the Pharisees, who allegedly put Jesus to death.
H.P. Blavatsky asks:
how is it that not one of the eminent Rabbis, authors of the Mishnah,
seems to have ever heard of Jesus, or whispers a word in the defence of
his sect charged with deicide, but is, in fact absolutely silent as
to the great event? [4] The Talmud does contain
references to a certain Jeshu, on whom the gospel Jesus may partially
have been based, but one passage implies that he lived about 100 BCE.
The Talmud certainly provides no support for the historical reality
of a gospel Jesus living in the early 1st century.
Forging a new religion The only other evidence for the gospel Jesus is drawn
from Christian testimonies, and in particular the gospels. There were
originally hundreds of different gospels, not just the familiar four included
in the New Testament. The four canonical gospels were accepted around the 4th
century after much dispute and argument, all the rest being rejected as
apocryphal or heretical. Some of the earliest and most quoted Christian texts,
such as the Gospel of Thomas, the Shepherd of Hermas and the Gospel of the
Hebrews, were excluded from the New Testament because none of them contained
any reference to the quasi-historical story of Jesus.
Even the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were all at one time or
another regarded as heretical. These gospels are not eyewitness accounts
of the life of Jesus written by his disciples, but later, anonymous works
that eventually acquired the names of their supposed authors. The first
person to mention a fourfold gospel account of the life and death of
Jesus, under the names of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, was Irenaeus
around 180 CE. The earliest versions of the gospels are thought to have
been written between 70 and 140 CE, most likely during the last 30 years
of this period [1]. However, they then underwent many alterations, as a
comparison of over 3000 early manuscripts has shown. For example, the
gnostic Marcion was using a Gospel of Luke around 140 CE which did not
conform to our canonical text; chapters 1 and 2 are later additions. The
last 12 verses of Mark's Gospel and the last
chapter of John's Gospel are also later additions. The church father Origen
acknowledged that manuscripts had been edited and passages added to suit
the needs of the changing theological climate [2]. As already shown, all the
revisions have done nothing to remove the major discrepancies in the gospels.
Although the four gospels are always placed first in the New Testament,
the letters of Paul were written before any of them and are commonly dated
at c. 50 CE. It is quite remarkable that although Paul is widely regarded
as Jesus' contemporary, he never claimed to have met him in the flesh or
to have met anyone else who had done so;* he is concerned only with the
heavenly Christ, whom he encountered in visions, and with the redemptive
significance of his death and resurrection, which he never places in an
historical earthly setting. Paul makes no mention of Jesus' virgin birth,
his ministry in Galilee or Jerusalem, his miracles and teachings, or the
details of his passion. What's more, all the earliest, pre-gospel
Christian epistles display the same silences as Paul. It is only in the
2nd century that Jesus begins to be linked with the time of Herod and
Pontius Pilate and that further
biographical details emerge.
*Paul refers to John, James, and Peter/Cephas, who are commonly equated with
the characters of the same name mentioned in the gospels, having somehow
been transformed from simple fishermen into learned scholars. However, Paul
says nothing whatsoever about them having been Jesus' companions and
disciples, and the gospel tales did not even exist when he wrote his
letters. On one occasion Paul calls James 'the brother of the Lord', but
this does not mean he must have been Jesus' blood brother as he was the head
of a community in Jerusalem which called itself 'brothers of/in the Lord'.
Paul disagrees with Cephas on various matters and condemns him in very
strong terms. But if Cephas is the Peter of the gospels it is odd that Paul
fails to mention that he had been rebuked by Jesus as 'Satan', had fallen
asleep in the garden of Gethsemane and had denied his master three times
[3].
The earliest gospel is commonly believed to be Mark's, the
simplest and shortest, in which Paul's picture of Jesus as a
mystical dying and resurrecting godman is given a historical and
geographical setting. Most of the details of the passion story
are taken directly from passages in the Psalms and Prophets.
Mark's Gospel (or rather an earlier version of the present
gospel) was then reworked and embellished by the authors of
Matthew and Luke, with details of Jesus' birth and
resurrection being added. This shows that they did not regard it
as a valuable historical record that must be preserved intact
or as the inviolable 'word of God'. The Gospel of John, the
most mystical, is remarkably different in style and content
from the other three. Due to its strong gnostic flavour,
many 2nd-century churchmen were opposed to its inclusion in
the New Testament. What worked in its favour, however,
was its insistence on the reality of Jesus' physical incarnation, in
opposition to the docetic ('illusionist') trend in Gnosticism, which regarded
Jesus as an eternal, spiritual being, untouched by the suffering experienced
by his 'illusory' physical manifestation. Significantly, all the gospel
authors betray a deficient knowledge of Palestinian geography and of Jewish
rituals and practices [4].
Once an historical Jesus had been created, the Acts of the Apostles was
written (150-177 CE) to account for his disciples. It reads like a fantasy
novel, misquotes the Old Testament, and contradicts Paul's letters. It is
now acknowledged to be largely if not entirely a fabricated picture of
Christian origins designed to serve the purposes of the Roman Church.
Finally, the Letters of the Apostles were written (177-220 CE). Modern
scholars have shown that the letters ascribed to Peter, James and John are
forgeries written much later to combat heretical (gnostic) ideas within
the early church; they attack 'many deceivers' who 'will not acknowledge
the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh' (2 John 7). Paul's early (and
mostly genuine) letters are full of gnostic phrases and teachings, whereas
his later letters (the Pastorals) are anti-gnostic, and are regarded as
fakes by all but the most
conservative of theologians. Forgery during the first few centuries of the
church's existence was so rampant that the phrase 'pious fraud' was coined to
describe it.
The evidence clearly suggests that the New Testament is not a history of
actual events, but a history of the evolution of Christian mythology. The
upshot of all this is that there is no substantial evidence whatsoever for
the historical existence of the gospel Jesus -- a man who is supposed to
have been the one and only incarnation of God on earth. However, this does
not rule out the possibility that the gospel Jesus was partly based on or
inspired by actual historical figures, including the Talmud Jeshu [5].
In 66 CE Jews in Judea revolted against their Roman oppressors,
culminating in the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in
70 CE. Some 600,000 people -- a fifth of the population -- died from
violence, famine and disease. These events fuelled the Jews' desperate
desire for a saviour, and gave impetus to the replacement of Paul's
mystical, timeless Christ with a more accessible, pseudo-historical
saviour who had supposedly lived on earth in the recent past. Such a
figure would offer an alternative to the many disastrous revolutionary
'messiahs', or 'zealots', who sprang up during the crisis.
The Therapeutae, a group of Pythagorean, Essenean Jews, are mentioned in
one of Philo's books written in 10 CE. They practised a Jewish version of
the pagan mysteries, believed their myths encoded secret mystical truths,
and may have played a key role in creating the Jesus myth, in which the
pagan godman is combined with the Jewish messiah. The community lived near
Alexandria, which was a great melting-pot of pagan and Jewish cultures and
became one of the main centres of Gnosticism [6]. Ultimately, however, the
Jesus myth won few Jewish converts since a messiah who was crucified as a
common criminal was not the saviour they were waiting for. But it was
embraced by pagans and gentiles as a new mystery cult. The fact that it
incorporated elements from so many other sects and cults added to its
popular appeal.
Bigotry triumphant By the middle of the 2nd century, a battle was raging
between gnostic and literalist Christians. The latter attacked the gnostics as
heretics who had perverted genuine Christianity, whereas the truth is that
Literalism is a degenerate form of the original Jesus mysteries of the
gnostics. In the face of gnostic insistence that the Jesus story was a
mystical allegory, literalists asserted that Jesus Christ suffered and was
crucified under Pontius Pilate -- a statement that was repeated with such
fanatical insistence that it shows how weak the literalists felt at this time.
The forged Second Letter of Peter, for example, defensively asserts that
literalist Christians are not following 'cleverly devised myths' (1:16)!
It was literalist Christianity that eventually triumphed, thanks to its
adoption as the official religion of the Roman Empire in the 4th century.
To endorse their claim of 'one Empire, one Emperor' in the face of
increasing fragmentation, the Roman emperors needed 'one faith' -- a
universal or 'catholic' religion. Roman leaders flirted with various
mystery religions. For instance, at the end of the 2nd century Emperor
Commodus was initiated into the mysteries of Mithras, another godman who
was miraculously born on 25 December. In 304, just 17 years before
Christianity became the state religion, Mithras was declared the
'protector of the Empire'. Then Emperor Constantine tried Christianity,
which proved a more ideal candidate:
Literalist Christianity . . . was a Mystery religion that had
purged itself of all its troublesome intellectuals. It was already an
authoritarian religion which encouraged the faithful to have blind faith
in those holding positions of power. It was exactly what the Roman
authorities wanted -- a religion without mystics, the Outer Mysteries
without the Inner Mysteries, form without content. [1]
At the first Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, Constantine oversaw the
creation of the Nicene Creed, which is still repeated in churches to
this day.* Christians who refused to assent to this creed were
banished from the Empire or otherwise silenced, though the church
continued to engage in political in-fighting thinly disguised as
theological debate. After the 'Christian' Constantine returned home from
Nicaea he had his wife suffocated and his son murdered. He deliberately
remained
unbaptized until his deathbed so that he could continue his atrocities and
still receive forgiveness of sins and a guaranteed place in heaven by being
baptized at the last moment.
*The Nicene Creed includes the following: 'We believe in one Lord, Jesus
Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God,
Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being
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